Gaining Weight vs Gaining Fat

**spartanhalo** · 09-15-2011 12:51 PM

What do you guys think of this??

It seems that a lot of people, especially beginners, do not make the difference between gaining bodyweight and gaining muscle mass. Especially with the hot topic of Mark Rippetoe's 1 gallon of milk people are getting way out of hand with the whole process of building muscle mass. Let me tell you something and please remember it.

"Building muscle Is HARD and TAKES a LOT of TIME. Sorry"

I guess you've all heard stories such as: "I gained 20 pounds in a month.", "I gained 50 pounds in 3 months." Yeah, right. People with similar "progress" probably don't know the difference between muscle and fat or are missing the D-bol part of the equation.

Let's me explain what happens when you start bulking up and overfeeding your organism. Most people will instantly gain between 5 to 10 pounds after starting eating like champions. However they will be lucky if 1 pound of that is muscle. The truth is that when you increase your calories you will initially gain water weight and glycogen. That's why you will look fuller and the scale will go up. Water and glycogen is actually LBM (lean body mass) but it's not muscle. So, you've gained 5 to 10 pounds but probably none of them actually muscle.

You have to understand that you can't lie to your body and you can't make it grow by eating for two or three people. Every single calorie over your needs goes to fat right away. Your body is limited when it comes to building muscles but it's not limited when it comes to gaining and storing fat. Also fat may easily appear as muscle gains especially when you wear clothes. Sorry but by eating 2000 calories more than you need won't speed up your mass construction because guess what - EASY DOESN'T WORK. Everybody can drink 1 gallon of milk for a few months, everybody can dirty bulk because it's relatively easy. However not everybody can follow a clean diet, not everybody can be patient and not everybody can be honest and say: "I fucking got fat. That isn?t muscle. It's just another layer of fat."

So how muscle can you really gain? It's not set in stone obviously because people with more dedication and better potential will do better but my experience says that you can expect 15-20 pounds of pure muscle during your first year of training if you are relatively tall and started skinny. After that you are looking at 5-10 pounds of muscle in a year. It may not sound like a lot but it's because people have been brainwashed by fitness gurus like Rippetoe who claims stupid things like: ?It's possible to gain 60 pounds in a year.? Yes, it's possible. Question is do you know the difference between fat and muscle? Looking at Rippetoe's beer gut I think he should be the last one to give diet advices.

Easy doesn?t cut it. I wish it worked but it doesn't. We all have to work hard and to me the idea of working hard has nothing to do with dirty bulking. That's easy - plenty of fat people around you are already doing it.

**Rockstar-Physique** · 09-20-2011 01:23 PM

Too true SpartanHalo. Too many people now-a-days are looking for the quick fix, over looking the one contributing factor to having a great physique: consistency. The best physiques I have seen have not been easy to develop and I think that we as a community should stop looking for the elusive quick fix. Try hard, eat right and be proud of your goals when you achieve them.

**PharmaFreak** · 09-27-2011 10:52 AM

The 'BEST' physiques are built on a mountain of copious under the counter black market drugs, lol, and a sprinkling of consistency to ice the cake

**Hierbi Vasquez** · 12-05-2011 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by PharmaFreak

The 'BEST' physiques are built on a mountain of copious under the counter black market drugs, lol, and a sprinkling of consistency to ice the cake

Dude gives us natties some credit....i may not be very big example of a natty but you cant knock people like Martin Daniels, Rob Hope etc.....those dudes could hold their own against a fair few assisted guys

**physique** · 12-06-2011 12:57 PM

How natural are you Hierbi out of interest?

I hear people claiming to be natural who use M1T because either A) They are totally stupid (Sorry uneducated) or B) They can buy it from a store so it must be natural

....for me, natural is totally clean of anabolic synthetics and synthetic growth aids. I still class natural as using herbal and more mainstream supplements, but not pro hormones or other such synthetic hormone products.

**Hierbi Vasquez** · 12-06-2011 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by physique

How natural are you Hierbi out of interest?

I hear people claiming to be natural who use M1T because either A) They are totally stupid (Sorry uneducated) or B) They can buy it from a store so it must be natural

....for me, natural is totally clean of anabolic synthetics and synthetic growth aids. I still class natural as using herbal and more mainstream supplements, but not pro hormones or other such synthetic hormone products.

Great question and my answer is simple....every bit of muscle i have has been gained wihtout the use of exogenous hormones.....no aas..no ph..and no ds....or anything else similar....but for fat loss in the past i have used ephedrine, and a long long time ago i made the mistake of using clen.......for less than a week as i hated the effect of it. I am not what you would class 100% natty for those reasons, but my belief is to be a natty you need to not have used anything for muscle growth. Plus apart from the youngsters starting to compete in natty comps, i very much doubt there are any natties my age that havent used ephedrine (whether they admit it or not) as it was standard practice and over the counter for years.....i used Reflex Sida Cordifolia and Xenadrine RFA-1......

Lol at my old gym there were loads of guys using Epistane and claiming to be natural...hilarious. I personally dont give a crap what people use as long as they are straight with the people they are giving advice to.

**physique** · 12-07-2011 12:20 PM

I think the major issue you hit on right there is what is natural. I recall Bill Philips when he ran EAS, after bowing out of writing anabolic steroid books and injecting the juice, was preaching the all natural benefits of EPH Hcl and the very original andro pro hormones (still best to date). Now, so, so many people still believe that because you can pick up a supplement from an online store or shop, that it HAS to be natural. WELL, no way. You can actually buy some of the most dangerous, hardcore anabolic steroids and ancillary drugs either labelled, or, mislabelled from supplement companies. Too many USA brands have been shut down of late for drug dealing and money laundering, and either putting genuine drugs or experimental drugs in their products - labelled or otherwise, it's quite unsettling.

Though for those informed and educated and whom are popping M1T and Epistane like candy and claiming to be natural genetic freaks make me laugh so hard I do a little pee in my underwear haha.

And for most, they have inconsistency with training, poor diets and a total lack and disregard for training methodology or progression, and would rather rely on anabolics and hitting the gym 'instinctively - never measuring or quantifying their lifts and progressions'. Which renders much of the art and science of muscle building useless, and muddies the waters for those who truly want to train effectively naturally and get their hands on genuinely effective information.

**Hierbi Vasquez** · 12-07-2011 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by physique

I think the major issue you hit on right there is what is natural. I recall Bill Philips when he ran EAS, after bowing out of writing anabolic steroid books and injecting the juice, was preaching the all natural benefits of EPH Hcl and the very original andro pro hormones (still best to date). Now, so, so many people still believe that because you can pick up a supplement from an online store or shop, that it HAS to be natural. WELL, no way. You can actually buy some of the most dangerous, hardcore anabolic steroids and ancillary drugs either labelled, or, mislabelled from supplement companies. Too many USA brands have been shut down of late for drug dealing and money laundering, and either putting genuine drugs or experimental drugs in their products - labelled or otherwise, it's quite unsettling.

Though for those informed and educated and whom are popping M1T and Epistane like candy and claiming to be natural genetic freaks make me laugh so hard I do a little pee in my underwear haha.

And for most, they have inconsistency with training, poor diets and a total lack and disregard for training methodology or progression, and would rather rely on anabolics and hitting the gym 'instinctively - never measuring or quantifying their lifts and progressions'. Which renders much of the art and science of muscle building useless, and muddies the waters for those who truly want to train effectively naturally and get their hands on genuinely effective information.

LOL the one that always makes me laugh was the AST 'natural' athletes Jeff Willet and Skip La Cour.......natural but using the ASt andro series prohormones....natural my ass....and if you look at how atrophied jeff willet is now its bloody obvious he was on something 'special' when he was competing as a natty.

**physique** · 12-08-2011 01:25 PM

Yes, its not fair really. Though the very old timers were not as aware of what the ANDROs were. Gold ol' Skip La Cour though lol. About as natural as Jay Cutler in my eyes.

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